It is time to consider some new (and some old) candidates for the Baseball Hall of Fame. For some reason the baseball Hall of Fame is the biggest lightning rod in all of sports. People just care more about this vote than others and it is more complicated than the other halls as well. The reason it is more complicated is because of the use of performance enhancing drugs from the generation currently on the ballot. Why it is a big issue in baseball and not football where drug use is just as if not more rampant is beyond me. Back on topic though, the issue does make it a difficult vote and one that many writers struggle with. Therefore I thought I would share my thoughts on the issue.
I decided to break the ballot into 5 categories so it is easier to cast my imaginary ballot. This is how I think many guys do vote.
Category 1: Guys that just straight up don't belong
1) Matt Stairs
dude was mostly a pinch hitter
2) Freddy Sanchez
3) Pat Burrell
4) Arthur Rhodes
One of my personal favorite players, but not a Hall of Famer. He gets a longer look though because of the longetivity which was amazing. Above Average for a long time is not a Hall of Famer though.
5) Orlando Cabrera
6) Casey Blake
7) Jason Varitek
I'm sure some Boston fans would try to argue, but not even close.
8) Carlos Guillen
Had a few really good years, but again not close
9) Melvin More
One of my all-time favorite Orioles and a candidate for the Oriole Hall of Fame, but not the baseball Hall of Fame. Deserves more of a look than 1-8, but simply not a Hall of Fame player.
10) Edgar Renteria
Played SS and had a GW hit of a World Series. Not Hall of Fame caliber, but may get a few votes.
11) Tim Wakefield
Not a Hall of Famer, but very consistent
12) Derek Lee
We are getting closer and he was a really strong player with some phenomenal years, but not quite there in my opinion.
13) JD Drew
Always dogged by people that think he never gave 100%, but very productive career. Not a Hall of Fame player, but I love the guy. I would have loved to have that bat in Camden Yards. Drew will always be one of my personal favorites for what he did for FSU.
Category 2: The known cheaters of guys that could belong
1) Mike Cameron
WIll not make it, but should have gotten a lot longer look than he will. The dude was very solid for a number of seasons. Suspended for steroids which erases the need to give him a longer look. Caught cheating and should be eliminated from consideration.
2) Manny Ramirez
One of the greatest hitters of all-time, but suspended multiple times for PED usage.
3) Sammy Sosa
I can't imagine finding anyone that thinks Sosa did not use PEDs and he has been caught corking his bat including to win the HR derby which has led to his prestige.
4) Gary Sheffield
Has admitted steroid use. Was an absolute stud, but shouldn't make it due to steroids. How many of those 509 home runs were aided.
5) Barry Bonds
The greatest position player ever and would have made it easily without steroids, but he cheated and should be disqualified for that cheating. I really understand people that vote him and Clemens in anyway, but I cannot do it personally because he cheated.
6) Roger Clemens
See Barry Bonds, but change position player to pitcher. Clemens was the most obvious cheater to me because of his age and throwing high 90s heat into 40. Come on!!!
Category 3: The suspected cheaters
1) Magglio Ordonez
Here is a perfect example for why to seperate into categories. Was absolutely incredible there for a few years, but too short of a timeframe to make it into the Hall of Fame. However, had he used drugs to try to stay healthy longer, could have easily made it and produced better numbers. A prime example of why the cheaters should be left out if he is left out. That being said, was named in Canseco's 2nd book so he too could be guilty.
2) Ivan Rodriguez
One of my personal favorite players, but there have been reports of PED usage. Named by Jose Canseco in his book and there are a lot of rumors. So while he is one of my favorites from my childhood and while he may be the greatest catcher of all-time, I am okay with waiting. It seems there is a lot more to find out here. He will remain on the ballot. While we should not punish him, we can give it time to sort out.
3) Jeff Kent
I like Kent and think he should receive the benefit of the doubt, but the talk has been there. I personally would not include him because he was a liability defensively, but he is a legitimate candidate. I like the guy and maybe he could get in one day.
4) Curt Schilling
Most of the controversy surrounding Schilling is self imposed. He himself said Red Sox officials urged him to consider PED use. Most of it seems suspect and I do not believe he did any, but there is some smoke there with Schilling. He is a borderline guy that I have just off.
5) Jeff Bagwell
There is some smoke with Bagwell and PEDS, but he has been on the ballot for 7 years. If they haveb't found anything yet, they are unlikely to find anything. We have to give him the benefit of the doubt and vote him in unless there are enough guys over the line that have 0 controversy.
Category 4: The borderline guys that have no controversy
1) Jorge Posada
Will look more at Posada in future years, but not quite enough production from me. I do consider Posada a strong candidate though and believe him staying clean should hold some importance.
2) Billy Wagner
I have Wagner as in. He should be in. Closer is a position and he was one of the best ever. A truly excellent closer for years. He is in trouble, but could gain steam as advanced metrics guys get an increasing say.
3) Fred McGriff
This is the one that gets to me and a guy that is killed by the steroid era. He hit 493 home runs. He is not tainted. McGriff drove in 1550. Yet you want to punish him because some other guys inflated the numbers of the era?
McGriff was not inflating the numbers, he was producing and doing it clean. Maybe he should be on the slam dunk side, because he certainly is a Hall of Fame player. However, he is hovering around 20% of the vote and seems to be losing traction.
4) Lee Smith
Already seeing what was written about Wagner, it is pretty easy to see why I think Smith is a legit candidate. Smith had 478 career saves and was the all-time leader before some Hoffman guy came around. He was one of the first closers to be used in the way they are today and excelled at it. Certainly worthy, but likely falls short.
5) Edgar Martinez
I think Martinez should be considered because he is perhaps the greatest DH ever. That being said he should not be considered over a comparable player that played a position. He should be considered over those he was a better hitter than. I'd vote him in at the bottom of my ballot as the 10th guy, but understand why some don't.
This group really needs to get bonus points for staying clean and above controversy in an era filled with it. If voters want to take a stand, they can elevate these players above their suspected counterparts.
Category 5: The slam dunks
Every year there are some slam dunks that you absolutely must vote for and they have strong character. To me there are 5 slam dunk guys on this ballot.
1) Tim Raines
It seems Tim Raines will finally get into the Hall of Fame this year. How he hasn't been considered a slam dunk to this point is amazing to me. Raines is the 2nd greatest leadoff hitter of all-time, I guess he is hurt because he played in the same generation as the best. Raines was a 5 tool player and honestly was a better player than Craig Biggio who was a slam dunk Hall of Famer in his own right. Luckily, he seems a lock to be included this year.
2) Vladimir Guerrero
Best player on his team everywhere he went (except Baltimore late in his career). Best bad ball hitter ever. Rocket arm. 5 tools. Amazing baseball player.
3) Larry Walker
People consider Edgar Martinez a borderline Hall of Famer and he is. Martinez was one of the best of his generation, but Martinez was a DH. Walker is a 5 tool player that won 5 legitimate gold gloves. His arm rivaled Guerrero. I think people forget just how good Larry Walker was. He was/is an all-time great. Forget that he played in Colorado. His numbers were nearly as good on the road. He also had no controversy in a very controversial time and was a true 5 tool guy.
4) Mike Mussina
The highest career WAR of any eligible player besides Bonds and Clemens. 270 wins and an ERA under 4 playing his entire career in the AL East when the AL East was perhaps at its best. He pitched against the Yankee dynasty and was successful. Not to mention that when he left the Orioles, their incompetent run of finishing under .500 started. The team fell apart when he left and was ultra competitive while he was with the team.
5) Trevor Hoffman
I don't care what you feel about the stat, 601 career saves is 601 career saves. Hoffman deserves in. I believe that he will get in sometime soon. Whether it be this year, next year, or a few years from now.
It is important to include those last 5 first and go from there.
Here is my full ballot of who gets my vote
1) Tim Raines
2) Vlad
3) Larry Walker
4) Mike Mussina
5) Trevor Hoffman
6) Billy Wagner
7) Lee Smith
8) Fred McGriff
9) Edgar Martinez
10) Jeff Bagwell
I expect Bagwell, Raines, Vlad, and Hoffman to get in and deservedly so. The rest of us can get into this talk again next year. Should be interesting.
Best of luck to all of the deserving candidates.
-Noland
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12.28.2016
4.25.2012
Favorite MLB Players
I wanted to talk a bit about my favorite MLB players. This will help you get an idea of who I like/liked in the game of baseball. For this list I will only post players who I have seen play, so players after 1990 (I was born in '87, but obviously can't remember those). I will also only pick each player one so I will not pick Griffey for Seattle and Cincinnati. I will try to pick each person for the team they were with longest to keep it interesting.Atlanta
Deion Sanders
It's primetime. The two sport athlete and perhaps best Seminole all around athlete ever. Perhaps best all around athlete ever period. Deion was the best.
Arizona
Stephen Drew
FSU legend. What is not to like?

Baltimore
Cal Ripken Jr.
How can it not be Cal? I did love Brady and Devo though. Cal was everything that was right with baseball in the 90s and perhaps saved the game.
Boston
JD Drew
One of FSU's greatest players ever. One of the only tolerable Red Sox ever.
Cincinnati
Eric Davis
This guy was enjoyable to watch. Loved him in Cincinatti and Baltimore.
Chicago Cubs
Jerry Hairston Jr.
One of my least favorite trades was sending Hairston to Chicago for Sosa.

Chicago White Sox
Frank Thomas
The Big Hurt was the coolest baseball nickname. He absolutely killed the ball.
Cleveland
Kenny Lofton
Loved the spectacular catches.
Colorado
Todd Helton
I like Helton and not much else from that team.
Detroit
Justin Verlander
One of the harder picks. Love Verlander and couldn't think of one I liked more besides Pudge. Can't use Pudge twice.
Houston
Craig Biggio
My aunt went to college with Craig Biggio. One of the all-time greats.

Kansas City
Bo Jackson
Bo knows baseball. Who didn't love Bo Jackson?
Los Angeles Angels
Tim Salmon
Just always like him.
Los Angeles Dodgers
Eddie Murray
Murray didn't do as much with the Dodgers, but his Oriole history made me root for him while he was there.
Miami
Randy Choate
Former FSU pitcher gives him an edge over the other Marlins.
Milwaukee
JJ Hardy
I always liked JJ Hardy even before he came to Baltimore. I was overjoyed when he came our way.
Minnesota
Kirby PuckettI loved the bowling ball belly and him still being athletic. Love the effort and joy he brought to the game. Love that he stuck with the Twins his whole career.
Montreal (eventhough the expos no longer exist, I added them in addition to the Nats because I remember them)
Vladimir Guerrero
Loved him in Montreal with his cannon. Not so much in Baltimore.
New York Mets
Billy Wagner
Wagner was from VA and was lights out as a closer. I love how he kept battling back.
New York Yankees
Mike Mussina
I never hated Mouse like many O's fans did. Always supported him while rooting against the dang yankees.

Oakland
Rickey Henderson
Greatest leadoff hitter of all time. My second favorite leadoff hitter (Brady was #1)
Philadelphia
Jaime Moyer
Jaime Moyer is the man. You have seen me post on Moyer already. Incredible longevity.
Pittsburgh
Brian Giles
This was probably the toughest pick for me. I have not liked many Pirates. I liked Brian Giles though.
San Diego
Tony Gwynn
He did all the little things and he did them with a smile.

San Fransisco
Buster Posey
I took a class with Posey at FSU. He is a superstar. Anybody that follows FSU baseball has to love Buster Posey.
Seattle
Ken Griffey Jr.
What is there to say about Jr. that hasn't already been said? The guy was the pure athlete in an era of cheaters. Griffey is the gold standard.
St. Louis
John Mabry
Mabry was actually my favorite baseball player in his time. Mostly because he was a distant relative, but Mabry is a class act. He sent some baseballs to my brothers and sister when we found out we were related. He was actually a solid baseball player eventhough he is best known for being the other first baseman in St. Louis. I will post more on Mabry at another time. Class Act.
Tampa Bay
Paul Sorrento
The only real reason I love Sorrento is that he was an FSU legend. When I found out players went to FSU or I saw them play there I rooted for them nonstop. Sorrento was a great baseball player in his day.
Texas
Ivan Rodriguez
I posted about Rodriguez on his retirement. Best catcher of all time.

Toronto
Roberto Alomar
Robbie Alomar is the second best player I have seen play. The only one that was better was Griffey and it was pretty close. Alomar did everything amazing. It was a pleasure to see him play for the Orioles a couple of seasons.
Washington
Ryan Zimmerman
I'm not the biggest fan of anybody the Nationals have had. I do like Jerry Hairston, but I already used him. I decided to pick Zimmerman because I love the way he plays and if I could pick anyone on the Nationals roster out of position players, he would be it.
-Noland
4.19.2012
Pudge to Retire
When I was just getting into baseball, I had three favorite non Oriole baseball players. Those players were Ken Griffey Jr., Kirby Puckett, and Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez. I just loved the way that those three guys played. They gave such great effort and they were so good. I would dream that one day they would come to the Orioles. We actually had a deal in place to bring Pudge to Baltimore, but Captain Angelos didn't want to give up Jeffrey Hammonds. What can you do though? Unfortunately, Mr. Puckett is no longer with us, having passed away in 2006. Mr. Griffey I have talked about several times before and he recently retired and then there was Pudge.Rodriguez has now spent 21 seasons in the bigs. Most of his pro seasons were with the Texas Rangers and he will retire as a Ranger Monday, but he also spent time with the Florida Marlins, Detroit Tigers, New York Yankees, Houston Astros, and Washington Nationals. Rodriguez won the World Series in 2003 in his only season with the Marlins and also played in the World Series in 2006 with Detroit.
Pudge also has several records and accolades. He holds the records for most games caught. Rodriguez has 13 gold gloves and 14 all star games to his credit. He was the 1999 American League MVP and the 2003 NLCS MVP. Though he is best known for his defense, Pudge also has 7 silver sluggers. He is a surefire Hall of Famer.In addition to all of his awards, are all of the impressive stats. Rodriguez was highest amoung active players in career caught stealing percentage and is even higher than my boy Matt Wieters there. He has 2,844 hits and while that is short of the magical 3,000 it isn't short by much and it is good for 44th best all time. In his long career the man has hit 311 home runs and 572 doubles (21st). Pudge has 1332 RBI, and 4,451 total bases, while also having 934 extra base hits.
This man is a living legend and we all got to see him play for a long time.
-Noland
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